Sep 30 15:00:12 who's around for the XFCE sig meeting? Sep 30 15:00:20 --- nirik has changed the topic to: Xfce SIG meeting Sep 30 15:00:22 cwickert is Sep 30 15:00:26 <-- jyulliano has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Sep 30 15:00:26 mether: you around? Sep 30 15:01:01 nirik: don't think so, it's to early in the morning for him Sep 30 15:01:24 <-- iranzo has quit ("Saliendo") Sep 30 15:01:25 yeah... we could look at switching times. I am pretty flexable. Sep 30 15:01:38 * Sonar_Guy is here Sep 30 15:02:07 nirik: me too, I#am open for suggestions, but I think it mether's turn Sep 30 15:02:20 welcome Sonar_Guy Sep 30 15:02:30 yeah, I can drop him an email or catch him later today to ask. Sep 30 15:02:52 ok, any outstanding bugs we want to go over? Sep 30 15:03:01 ok, where to start? anything special you like to talk about? Sep 30 15:03:07 --> hit^ (n=db@76.238.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 30 15:03:08 ok, bugs first Sep 30 15:03:09 --> lloyd_fedora (n=chatzill@dxb-b137078.alshamil.net.ae) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 30 15:03:24 we got a FTBFS for xfce4-panel today Sep 30 15:03:43 I already fixed it in cvs but did not yet build the package Sep 30 15:03:58 ok, I thought he built using an old source. Sep 30 15:04:00 as I wanted to wait if we want to change the panel layout further Sep 30 15:04:38 but we decided to not modifiy the layout to much to stay upstream Sep 30 15:04:56 so the only think Iäm going to add is the email launcher if you agree Sep 30 15:05:04 yeah. I think we should stick with what we decided last time. Sep 30 15:05:12 yes, I think thats fine. Sep 30 15:05:27 ok, then I will do that later, I have been very very busy lately Sep 30 15:05:45 that leads into something else I wanted to talk about... theme/backdrop. Sep 30 15:05:45 --> Melio (n=Melio@c-76-23-109-58.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 30 15:06:00 <-- Melio has quit (Remote closed the connection) Sep 30 15:06:07 wait a moment: you think it's worht requiring exo because the mail launcher uses exo-open? Sep 30 15:06:20 or is requireing exo for the panel a bad idea? Sep 30 15:06:37 doesn't it already? Let me look. Sep 30 15:06:48 AIFIK not Sep 30 15:07:10 <-- ianweller has quit ("leaving") Sep 30 15:07:34 it requires Terminal that requires exo I think Sep 30 15:07:47 <-- Sonar_Guy has quit ("Leaving") Sep 30 15:07:51 --- fab__ is now known as fab Sep 30 15:08:18 ok then, I think this is enough, Sep 30 15:08:31 now theme and backdrop then Sep 30 15:08:33 yeah, Terminal -> exo... Sep 30 15:08:39 --> Sonar_Guy (n=Who@fedora/sonarguy) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 30 15:08:50 so default for gnome for f10 is echo and solar. Sep 30 15:09:05 --> ianweller (n=ianwelle@fedora/ianweller) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 30 15:09:15 does this require changes on our side? I don't think so Sep 30 15:09:37 perhaps not. Sep 30 15:09:42 we use /usr/share/backgrounds/default.png, that should always link to the default theme Sep 30 15:09:57 the only thing we need to change then is the icon theme Sep 30 15:10:23 yeah, it's using Nodoka now. Sep 30 15:10:34 I haven't looked at echo... not sure how much coverage it has Sep 30 15:10:37 nodoka is no icon theme Sep 30 15:10:51 we use fedora for icons, that's basically the mist theme Sep 30 15:11:07 oh right, looking at the wrong place... Sep 30 15:11:28 changing to echo would mean to change mcs-plugins once again, but I'm fine with that Sep 30 15:11:38 so, thoughts? should we try switching? we can always revert Sep 30 15:11:42 <-- mizmo has quit (Remote closed the connection) Sep 30 15:11:42 have you tested echo yet? Sep 30 15:12:05 I wonder if the main menu has all the icons... Sep 30 15:12:36 I have not. So, perhaps we should try to in the coming week and decide next time? Sep 30 15:13:07 ok, I will install echo from rawhide and have a look Sep 30 15:13:27 I can try and do so too. Sep 30 15:13:28 anybody else wants to share his thoughts on the look and feel? Sep 30 15:13:44 should we go ahead and build xfce4-panel then? Sep 30 15:14:07 yes, will to because the FTBFS mails start to suck ;) Sep 30 15:14:21 should read: will do Sep 30 15:14:22 humm... I don't see any mails on that... Sep 30 15:14:31 you sure it was xfce4-panel? Sep 30 15:14:45 jepp, wait a moment... Sep 30 15:15:39 ok, the mails are not going over a mailing list, so we have no archive... but I got two mails from matt tonight Sep 30 15:16:05 weird. I don't recall seeing any... perhaps they are getting filtered or filed in the wrong place. Sep 30 15:16:18 http://linux.dell.com/files/fedora/FixBuildRequires/mock-results/i386/xfce4-panel-4.4.2-4.fc9.src.rpm/result/build.log Sep 30 15:16:49 ok, anything more on theme, look & feel etc? Sep 30 15:16:50 oh, patch fuzz issue? Sep 30 15:17:02 yes, fixed that 3 weeks ago Sep 30 15:17:32 I will add the patch for the mail launcher and then tag and build Sep 30 15:17:37 ok, thanks. Sep 30 15:17:43 can we move on to bugs then? Sep 30 15:17:46 sure. Sep 30 15:18:07 I got a bug for the mailwatch-plugin last week, Sep 30 15:18:38 I contacted upstream and he told me that a new version is out for two weeks now Sep 30 15:19:01 I did not nodice because he did not announce it ant the source is not hosted at goodies.xfce.org Sep 30 15:19:08 anoying. ;( Sep 30 15:19:12 --- glezos_ is now known as glezos_away Sep 30 15:19:17 we could start adding things to Fever... Sep 30 15:19:22 yeah Sep 30 15:19:41 but fever was screwed up lately too, wasn't it? Sep 30 15:19:47 Xfce base packages have so few releases it's not a big deal for them... Sep 30 15:19:48 at laest for sf.net Sep 30 15:19:55 yeah, sf.net changed things. It's fixed tho Sep 30 15:20:02 <-- hit^ (n=db@76.238.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee) has left #fedora-meeting Sep 30 15:20:23 I got a couple of new plugins here, some of the maintainers have prepared for xfconf/ xfce-4.6 Sep 30 15:20:34 nevertheless a lot of stuff is still missing Sep 30 15:20:43 yeah, I hope in the f11 cycle 4.6 will appear. Sep 30 15:21:19 did you have a chance to test the alpha yet? Sep 30 15:21:34 nope. ;( Been too busy. Sep 30 15:21:46 I suggest we wait another two weeks ant then do some tests with the beta Sep 30 15:21:57 yeah, sounds good. Sep 30 15:22:07 we can package up and do a private repo for it. Sep 30 15:22:21 that would have been my next question Sep 30 15:22:43 I'm fine with a private repo, I don't want this stuff in rawhide before F10 is released Sep 30 15:23:04 --> KarlieRobinson (n=karlie@24.213.132.169) has joined #Fedora-meeting Sep 30 15:23:32 yeah... as soon as we have f10 branches we can drop it in f11 rawhide. Sep 30 15:24:07 nevertheless it will take some time before all the goodies stuff is ready... Sep 30 15:24:25 more bugs? Sep 30 15:24:47 sure, if you have any you want to go over. Sep 30 15:25:29 what about https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=433830 Sep 30 15:25:30 Bug 433830: low, low, ---, kevin@tummy.com, ASSIGNED, RFE: Zoomed background option Sep 30 15:25:42 apply or wait for upstream? Sep 30 15:26:46 either way is fine with me (ie, I don't feel strongly either way)... Sep 30 15:26:58 it's kinda neat, but not really a big feature. Sep 30 15:27:26 what I dislike about these patches is that they have no translations Sep 30 15:28:10 xubuntu has a couple of patches, but whatever we take from them, it won't get localized Sep 30 15:28:18 yeah, another advantage to getting upstreamed. Sep 30 15:30:07 one thing that is really nice on ubuntu is that they have heavily patched the mcs-plugins keyboard settings dialog Sep 30 15:30:22 to do what? Sep 30 15:30:34 to support keymap setting with libxklavier Sep 30 15:30:47 it adds another tab Sep 30 15:31:03 really nice, but the whole thing is not translated ether Sep 30 15:31:27 on the other hand a new version of xkb-plugin was released recently Sep 30 15:31:42 it uses libxklavier now too, really nice Sep 30 15:32:09 cool. Sep 30 15:32:09 --> cyberpear (n=cyberpea@weepinbell-63.dynamic.rpi.edu) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 30 15:32:24 so I think for people who wan't to switch keymaps we should recommend this one Sep 30 15:33:03 what do think about bug # 433150 Sep 30 15:33:04 Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=433150 low, low, ---, kevin@tummy.com, ASSIGNED, Include buttons for suspend, hibernate and switch user Sep 30 15:33:20 long time topic... Sep 30 15:33:48 yeah, I still think adding them to logout is wrong... Sep 30 15:33:55 +1 Sep 30 15:34:12 the only think that makes sense to me there is switch user Sep 30 15:34:21 yeah. Sep 30 15:34:34 I still haven't tried to figure out that weird issue with the battery applet... Sep 30 15:34:37 I have a patch here, but I haven't found a reliable way to change for gdm Sep 30 15:34:42 it wouldn't work for me on x86_64 here. Sep 30 15:34:52 which one? Sep 30 15:35:08 the battery-applet4xfce? Sep 30 15:35:16 yeah, I think so... Sep 30 15:35:30 I wish we had an alternative to gdm... Sep 30 15:35:52 I don't think we should use _this_ battey-applet, it's not oficially part of the goodies Sep 30 15:36:32 indeed. Sep 30 15:36:33 xfpower does not compile here, and the hal based version of xfce4-batteryplugin has no suspend/hibernate yet Sep 30 15:36:34 --> lajjr (n=lajjr@pool-71-173-1-167.sctnpa.east.verizon.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 30 15:36:55 yeah, hope there is a solution someday. Sep 30 15:36:55 so the best solution still is gnome-power-manager Sep 30 15:37:15 we should stick with that... Sep 30 15:37:36 yep. Sep 30 15:37:40 <-- fugolini has quit ("Leaving.") Sep 30 15:37:49 do you know of any other DM that handles consolekit, etc? Sep 30 15:38:01 <-- lajjr (n=lajjr@pool-71-173-1-167.sctnpa.east.verizon.net) has left #fedora-meeting Sep 30 15:38:07 <-- glezos_away has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Sep 30 15:38:10 gdm now pulls in gnome pretty much as the user for the login is running gnome. Sep 30 15:38:15 not yet, and AFAIK they don't even have plans for that Sep 30 15:38:33 really? Sep 30 15:38:43 it now exec's gnome-session (hardcoded) Sep 30 15:38:56 arghh... :( Sep 30 15:39:14 and it also needs a running gconf Sep 30 15:39:27 yeah. Sep 30 15:39:37 this sucks, but SLIM is no alternative I think Sep 30 15:39:59 yeah, lacks too much. Sep 30 15:40:21 well, user switching basically works through gnome-screensaver Sep 30 15:40:32 ah well, anything else we should discuss today? Sep 30 15:40:34 but we don't have a face browser Sep 30 15:40:53 one more idea for user switching Sep 30 15:41:10 how about a custom version of the actions-plugin Sep 30 15:41:45 that has switch user and hibernate instead of logout and shutdown? Sep 30 15:41:54 not to hard to patch Sep 30 15:42:03 <-- cyberpear_ has quit (No route to host) Sep 30 15:42:09 yeah, that sounds ok Sep 30 15:42:36 we could make this plugin require gdm, so we don't need to make the panel require it Sep 30 15:42:49 I will see what I can do till next week Sep 30 15:42:53 cool. Sep 30 15:43:02 anythink else we need to discuss? Sep 30 15:43:08 I'm done... Sep 30 15:43:16 one last thing... Sep 30 15:43:23 <-- LetoTo has quit (Remote closed the connection) Sep 30 15:43:39 please test catfish on x86_64 if you can Sep 30 15:43:48 ok... I can try it out... Sep 30 15:43:50 I donÄt have a x86_64 machine ATM Sep 30 15:43:52 thanks Sep 30 15:44:17 I have several here, including my laptop that I use as my main machine. Sep 30 15:44:35 ok, then please tell me next week Sep 30 15:44:56 will do. Installing it now. Sep 30 15:45:00 --- mbonnet is now known as mbonnet_ Sep 30 15:45:26 --> mbonnet (n=mikeb@c-24-218-108-40.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 30 15:45:27 can you write mether and ask for a new time slot? I think we need to do some work for the livecd and we might need him there Sep 30 15:45:58 ok. I can do that... I did track down and get the gdm problem fixed before beta. Sep 30 15:46:15 we had to add gnome-session. Sep 30 15:46:36 huh? if gdm need it it should require it Sep 30 15:47:07 yeah, it does now, it didn't then... was a bug Sep 30 15:47:13 --> fugolini (n=francesc@host113-87-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 30 15:47:13 --> LetoTo (n=paul@76-10-173-74.dsl.teksavvy.com) has joined #fedora-meeting Sep 30 15:47:16 ok, I see Sep 30 15:47:41 <-- fugolini has quit (Client Quit) Sep 30 15:47:57 ok then, I have no more ideas, let me update my plugins and the panel tonight Sep 30 15:48:03 and gdm would just bomb out when it couldn't exec gnome-session Sep 30 15:48:13 ok, sounds good. Thanks for coming. Sep 30 15:48:36 your are welcome. sorry I was absent the last two meetings :(