15:00:33 <Sparks> #startmeeting
15:00:37 <Sparks> #chair poelcat
15:00:48 <Sparks> #topic Zikula CMS Solution Meeting
15:00:51 <Sparks> poelcat: go
15:00:52 <Sparks> :)
15:01:04 * ianweller 
15:01:09 * Sparks is here
15:01:17 <poelcat> who else is here?
15:01:19 * JonRob 
15:01:31 * ke4qqq is here
15:01:33 * ianweller *just* woke up so is still a little... wonked out
15:01:41 * poelcat knows the feeling :)
15:01:54 * Sparks thinks ianweller is always a little wonked out
15:02:02 <poelcat> does anyone know Simon's nick?
15:02:07 * laubersm is lurking but not 100% paying attention
15:02:08 <Sparks> itbegins
15:02:11 <rjune> poelcat: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot
15:02:34 * ke4qqq waves at laubersm - long time no see
15:03:25 <poelcat> # topic Introduction
15:03:36 <ianweller> (no space between # and topic)
15:03:48 <poelcat> #topic Introduction
15:04:14 <poelcat> a couple of weeks back some folks asked if i would help lead a cross-team meeting to
15:04:21 <poelcat> work on getting Zikula live
15:04:28 <poelcat> obviously I said "yes" :)
15:04:56 <poelcat> i am not a subject matter expert at all, I am just here to help facilitate the meetings and track progress, etc.
15:05:16 <poelcat> so i'll need a little help with topics that need to be covered etc.
15:05:43 <poelcat> As I understand things the first usage of Zikula will be by the docs team
15:05:55 <poelcat> but in time will be rolled out for and affect other teams
15:05:58 * Sparks can probably help as well as ke4qqq
15:05:59 <poelcat> is that correct?
15:06:06 <Sparks> yes
15:06:17 * poelcat bats 1000
15:06:18 <Sparks> This will be a replacement for docs.fp.o...
15:06:32 <Sparks> and will be used by others in the same fashion later.
15:06:51 <JonRob> marketing is very interested too, as a possibe use as backend for $foobar that we're looking to get going in the next 3/4 months
15:07:12 <JonRob> althoguh we're exploring all possibilities
15:07:30 <poelcat> our first topic was to set a regular meeting time, but we need Simon for that
15:07:35 <poelcat> so we'll wait and see if he appears
15:07:53 <poelcat> any more on the "intro" ?
15:08:00 * Sparks thought mizmo would be here to discuss artwork and design...
15:08:13 <poelcat> ianweller is covering that
15:08:16 <Sparks> cool
15:08:36 <poelcat> #topic Module Packaging Status
15:08:59 <poelcat> so as I understand things we can't go live with zikula until it is fully packaged
15:09:11 <poelcat> is there a wiki page tracking progress on this?
15:09:16 <poelcat> or a tracker bug?
15:09:19 <Sparks> there is a bug ticket...
15:09:22 * Sparks goes to find it
15:09:47 <itbegins> hello everyone
15:09:50 <itbegins> sorry I am late, got help up
15:09:58 <poelcat> itbegins: welcome
15:10:17 <Sparks> #link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504066
15:10:19 <buggbot> Bug 504066: medium, high, ---, david, ASSIGNED, CMS for docs.fp.org
15:10:33 <ianweller> that's the tracker right?
15:10:36 <Sparks> Yes
15:10:49 <Sparks> There should be blockers against it for all the modules and such.
15:11:10 <poelcat> do all of the bugs have to be closed to go live?
15:11:12 * Sparks counts fourteen tickets blocking it.
15:11:47 <ke4qqq> yes and some that aren't even open yet
15:11:51 * ricky is here, sorry
15:12:03 <poelcat> are these bugs just for incomplete packaging requsts or there are other TODOs?
15:12:05 <mizmo> im here
15:12:13 <ianweller> mizmo: :)
15:12:13 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Can we create task tickets for those items that haven't been opened?
15:12:24 <poelcat> IOW where would other teams file RFEs and other needs?
15:12:30 <Sparks> poelcat: There are TODOs and Packaging requests
15:12:53 <ke4qqq> they are not-yet-tackled package reviews from my standpoint
15:13:22 <ke4qqq> mainly bundled libraries
15:13:31 * poelcat would suggest bugzillas for packaging and needed code changes... wiki task list for other things
15:13:46 <ke4qqq> though we have a ton of existing modules and dependencies waiting on reviews
15:14:00 <poelcat> ke4qqq: do we have an easy way to query them?
15:14:28 <poelcat> or is that the tracker bug?
15:14:29 <ke4qqq> the stuff that's not yet tackled?? or the stuff waiting on reviews?
15:14:34 <poelcat> both
15:14:39 <Sparks> poelcat: That's the tracker.
15:15:28 <ke4qqq> just searching for zikula in BZ shows most of the outstanding reviews - the stuff not yet tackled - not really - at least not yet.
15:16:34 <ke4qqq> part of it is that you don't know about the bundled libraries until you start looking at the stuff you are packaging
15:16:50 <poelcat> so the tracker bugs has the MUST HAVES?
15:17:05 * poelcat trying to get a sense of scope and what needs to be tracked/tackled
15:17:08 <ke4qqq> and if you miss it, the first notice might be when someone reviews, or when infrastructure audits the package
15:17:12 <Sparks> poelcat: I tink so
15:17:27 <Sparks> I think, too
15:17:43 <poelcat> okay, so it seems best to focus on the tracker for the near term?
15:19:13 * poelcat takes silence as "yes"
15:19:31 <ke4qqq> silence is assent
15:19:53 <poelcat> what is the process for clearing open bugs/package reviews?
15:20:07 <poelcat> are you actively seeking out reviewers?
15:20:24 <Sparks> We actually have reviewers that are helping us out.
15:20:35 <Sparks> So that's not so much of a problem right now.
15:20:38 <ke4qqq> I was hoping that the same group that packaged them would review them - but haven't seen that happening - I closed a few of them.
15:20:47 <ke4qqq> it isn't???
15:20:53 <ke4qqq> have I missed something?
15:21:12 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Between ianweller and...  someone...  My packages have been getting regular attention.
15:22:15 <ke4qqq> ahhh yes - there are some where certain packagers need prodding (/me just looked at the reviews)
15:22:26 <ke4qqq> there are also two packages awaiting a sponsor
15:22:45 <Sparks> toshio...
15:22:59 <Sparks> You, ianweller, and toshio have been working my packages.
15:23:03 <ke4qqq> from two different people
15:23:17 <ke4qqq> those may need some attention we can't give
15:23:18 <jds2001> gack
15:23:23 * jds2001 forgot about this meeting.
15:23:48 <poelcat> working backwards from the intended "go live" and when package reviews need to be done... has a go live date been selected?
15:24:16 <ke4qqq> I'd think it needs to be a few weeks before first draft of RN hits docs.fp.o
15:24:22 <Sparks> poelcat: 60 days from the FAD @ SELF was the projected time.
15:24:25 <Sparks> ke4qqq: Yes!
15:24:36 <poelcat> Sparks: is that still realistic?
15:25:44 <ke4qqq> poelcat: if we could get all of the packaging (and the outstanding licensing and bug issues) fixed in a week - it might be....
15:26:39 <Sparks> poelcat: maybe
15:26:42 <poelcat> ke4qqq: what is percentage chance of that happening?
15:27:53 <ke4qqq> if we could as a group dedicate sometime to it this weekend, we could likely get the majority of it accomplished. The two unknowns right now are the continued licensing issue - and a hash function bug that I am running into - ohhh and the people needing sponsors
15:28:15 <poelcat> ke4qqq: what is percentage chance of that happening?
15:28:18 <ke4qqq> I'd say I'd guves us 40%
15:28:23 <ke4qqq> give even
15:28:45 <poelcat> so while it is "possible" not "probable"
15:28:48 <poelcat> ?
15:29:06 <ke4qqq> might be slightly less - some of those needing sponsors have lingered for a bit.  That's a correct statement
15:29:34 <poelcat> what is the task # here http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-docs-tasks.html that relates to the RN on docs.fp.o ?
15:30:10 <ke4qqq> 8
15:30:11 * poelcat notes there are no "wrong" answers here, we're just trying to figure out where were are at so we can figure out an honest end date :)
15:31:02 <poelcat> what action items/owners/dates should we set around completing this topic?
15:31:24 <poelcat> where "this topic"
15:31:27 <poelcat> = package reviews
15:32:37 <ke4qqq> I'd like to say all of the non-sponsor-needing package reviews done by this time next week - the balance we need to get the sponsees in high gear or go through the deadreview process
15:32:46 <ke4qqq> which will take a minimum of 7 days
15:33:08 <poelcat> who is responsible for that task?
15:33:29 <Sparks> ke4qqq:
15:33:34 <poelcat> so we know who to check back w/ next meeting
15:33:44 <ke4qqq> as in who is going to carry the whip - or who is doing the actual work?
15:34:02 <poelcat> ke4qqq: who is carrying the whip and can give status at our next meeting?
15:34:09 <Sparks> ke4qqq carries the whip...  there are a number of others, including ke4qqq, doing the actual work
15:34:35 * ke4qqq spews his drpepper
15:34:58 <Sparks> what?  Is it something I said?
15:34:59 <poelcat> I see my role here as helping to guide things forward from a high level, but probably not able to able to crack the whip at all of the lower levels :)
15:35:06 <poelcat> hopefully you all agree
15:36:10 * poelcat still isn't clear on completion date for package reviews?
15:36:44 <ke4qqq> for everything but the reviews needing sponsors the goal is next week at Wednesday no later than 11:36am
15:36:48 <ke4qqq> Eastern
15:36:52 <ke4qqq> :)
15:36:59 * ianweller blinks
15:37:10 <Sparks> Eastern Daylight or just Eastern?
15:37:35 <poelcat> that could be CEST ;-)
15:38:04 <ke4qqq> :)
15:38:28 <poelcat> okay we'll check back on packaging next week
15:39:31 <poelcat> what other things need to be done successfully reach go live on 2009-08-18 ?
15:39:32 <ke4qqq> oops - forgot a few things - mind if I drop those on you
15:39:53 * poelcat realizes that is a big question... maybe more suitable for a wiki list
15:40:25 <ke4qqq> so first - there are 2-3 fedora-specific modules that zikula guys have done for us (mainly itbegins) we need to get source code for those in fedorahosted - and get those packaged in the infra repos.
15:40:47 <itbegins> Yes, there's the theme, the FASAuth and the docs publishing module
15:40:57 <itbegins> the last of that list isn't complete yet, to my knowledge
15:41:10 <itbegins> The theme probably needs input from websites
15:41:20 <itbegins> FASAuth 'just works'
15:41:31 <poelcat> are we tracking these other modules in bugzilla?
15:41:33 <ke4qqq> can we get that pushed up today? everything as it stands now
15:41:45 <ke4qqq> poelcat: we aren't yet
15:42:12 <poelcat> who would like to be own creating the bugzillas?
15:43:26 <Sparks> I can
15:44:01 <itbegins> I have a bit of an issue at the moment - I've had 3 laptops die on me over the last couple of weeks and have no linux machines running at the moment.  So, I'll have to re-establish all my Fedora stuff before I can commit anything to the repositories
15:44:21 <poelcat> Sparks: thanks
15:44:24 <poelcat> itbegins: ouch!
15:44:24 <ke4qqq> itbegins: how long?
15:44:34 <itbegins> I can email the code elsewhere for someone else to do quicker
15:45:08 <itbegins> otherwise, as I'm also packing for relocation to the US I can't see it happening for a while
15:45:09 <ke4qqq> ok - email it to me (and Sparks) if you don't mind - one of us will get it up by end of the day
15:45:40 <Sparks> we will?
15:45:41 <itbegins> will do
15:45:45 <Sparks> I mean... we will.
15:45:46 * poelcat notes we have 15 min left
15:45:50 <ke4qqq> :)
15:46:05 <poelcat> #topic Next Meeting Time
15:46:31 <poelcat> can we continue to meet at this time/day ?
15:46:41 <ianweller> this time is ok, i just have to learn to go to bed at not 3am the night before
15:46:46 <itbegins> poelcat, I can't...
15:46:53 <itbegins> but I don't know when I can
15:47:06 <rislam> +1 for timing
15:47:11 <Sparks> Okay for me.
15:47:28 * poelcat wonders if we can do a few meetings at this time until we are really blocking on itbegins?
15:47:40 <itbegins> That's fine by me
15:47:47 <poelcat> hopefully by then itbegins has a better idea on availability?
15:47:48 <itbegins> I can read the logs and follow up on any questions
15:47:57 <itbegins> I should know better in a week or so
15:48:01 <poelcat> perfect
15:48:01 <ke4qqq> ok to go back to your question - we need to create the puppet manifests - I am sure infra will want to audit all of that, including the code ( abadger1999 has already done a ton of that and found problems) - we need a decent testinstance running that we can beat on (that's generated by puppet, not installed by hand) and then I guess we need to work on publishing everything in test and get that incantation squared away.
15:48:41 <itbegins> ke4qqq, afaik, only licensing so far, right?
15:49:16 <ke4qqq> I ran into a hash issue I have been meaning to talk to you about when I unbundled some stuff - we can do so after the meeting if you want)
15:49:44 <ke4qqq> it's a php4 v php5 issue - and I prolly just need to patch it myself and submit it upstream
15:51:16 <poelcat> ready to move on?
15:51:24 <rislam> i love to help too, but need to learn things first, are people allowed to learn things to work with the team?
15:51:38 <ke4qqq> yes
15:51:43 <ke4qqq> and rislam: yes
15:51:53 <rislam> how?
15:52:07 <ke4qqq> rislam: lets talk after the meeting
15:52:28 <poelcat> #topic Important Cross Team Dependencies
15:52:43 <poelcat> what things should we be tracking on this topic that we aren't already?
15:52:51 <poelcat> or what things do different teams need to be thinking about?
15:53:02 <ianweller> art team/websites approval of the theme?
15:53:25 <Sparks> ianweller: Yes and anything that infra needs
15:53:33 <ke4qqq> yeah we'll need art/design/websites help and blessing
15:55:18 <poelcat> anything else on this topic or others in the remaining 5 minutes?
15:57:45 <itbegins> If anyone needs to know anything about Zikula (from other teams etc) just email me
15:57:55 <itbegins> I'm happy to answer any questions
15:59:18 <poelcat> thanks everyone for coming
15:59:21 <poelcat> #endmeeting